This is big news, and while some people have said that they have known of these for some time, they were not kind enough to let the community know.
Now the tell tale here is the Dot near the 1 in 140. In an original bezel we see it more over the 4. In the following example you can see the different position of the Dot over the 140.
Obviously my example is a well worn bezel, and this is often the confirmation of an original, but I suppose the fakers will try that too. Here is another original.
There is a discussion amoungst the community regarding the disclosure of why a bezel (or any other part for that matter is counterfeit. On one side, when we point out the errors, then the fakers get a free consultation on how to improve. On the other hand, without disclosure there will be several people defrauded.
Personally I believe in full disclosure and I think that I would spot a fake bezel in hand. The print will be too perfect and the retaining ring will either be new, or show signs of re fitting. Of course all these things might also be faked. However by doing business with people I trust, I hope to avoid being scammed. The last point is that once the fake bezel becomes indistinguishable, then they will all be worth the same.
In conclusion, be very careful when considering to good to be true condition D090 bezels!
Here is a watch for sale at www.OmegaForums.net. I am reviewing it because it brings up a few questions about the way we view watches on sale.
I wrote this last week, but published this only after the watch is sold, as I do not wish to unintentionally influence a sale. I have no connection to the seller and I am not recommending to buy it, but I do suggest all of the literally dozens of people who ask me about an entry level 145.022 to at least look at this and wonder if the re lume is worth living with at $5500.
Essentially this is a good looking 145.022-69 with a DO90 bezel and a dark chocolate dial. And the price has just been reduced to $5500.
Why has it not sold? Some people would pay more than half that for the bezel! Well it must be primarily because of the declared re lume.
The owner has declared the dial and hands as re lumed. In the past, re lumes were very easy for most to spot, and were not very good. Now, we have some very skilled technicians, well one in particular, who can replicate an aged lume on a dial, often making the watch extremely attractive and without any obvious signs of work, especially to a less experienced collector. Unfortunately, the work in this case is not top, but it is quite good. It may be possible to remove it and re apply where it is sloppy.
In the following image we can see the imperfections in the work. The 11 mark has two lines extending from it, the 12 spots do not look normal and the 1,2 and 3 marks look sloppy.
In the following image we see the hands are easily spotted as painted and re lumed as the work is not the highest standard available. Note the finish on the hands is shiny, and uneven – I want to say lumpy. It can never be confused for original, but it would be an easy fix.
In this case, the seller has correctly declared the work, but I am sure that there are others who would not have declared it and the watch would have been sold quickly at the initial price of $7500.
What I realise is that the private sellers on the forums have become quick to be up front about work done on watches. This is to be welcomed. On the other hand, buyers are not quite so ready to accept this honesty, and sometimes they go and buy a relumed watch from a dishonest person who has told them it is not relumed.
Everything has a price. And I think the price here is about right. I was even tempted to buy it myself, but I did not.
What I am saying, is that I personally am not quick to dismiss a re lume if it is up to a standard, and down to a price. Remember after all, what a dial washed of lume looks like, and which would be nicer to live with.
Yesterday I took a trip to Geneva, and I held more 2915’s in one day than I have handled before in such a short space of time. It was a great learning experience. Please remember that I really do not know a lot about 2915’s. I do not have special access to Omega like others have, and I have not seen a great number. I try to learn by looking and talking to others, but I am also learning that there are a lot of people who say they know a lot but what they say does not always fit with my observations. So as ever, if you are a buyer for these very expensive watches, be your own expert. I am reminded of the phrase, “In space no one can hear you scream”. What I mean in this context is that there are not many trustworthy advisers for a 2915 – and they may not hear your cries for help.
Here is the quick summary:
All of them set the Gieger counter off, testing positive for radioactivity, at least somewhere in the watch.
The first two 2915’s discussed below are much better than the others discussed.
There is a general feeling that the two Phillips watches might have been expected by many to have sold for more, but in the event did not explode – suggesting a flattening of demand.
There was a variety of dial, all flat O in Omega, some with high printing some with low – you will see
There were different styles of steel bezels. Some had serifs some did not, and most have circular polishing marks
Here is the first at Phillips.
My first impression is it is a really attractive watch. This photo does not convey the pleasure of holding the watch. The dial is a lovely even colour and is not damaged or degraded. Here in the photo, the plots look not very nice. The original listing is here
For me this was super attractive. I did not get good viewing photos but here is a glimpse:
Straight from the Iphone but we can see immediately the catalog photo does not capture the essence of the watch. The dial colour is truly galaxy and pleasant. Delving deeper into this particular watch, the hand lume looks very new. It also compliments the dial so well it is hard to imagine it is not a restoration. The Geiger counter clicked away happily so there is Radium somewhere in the watch. We always have to remain skeptical as it is known that some restorers place a dab of radium under the dial to fool those checking with a Geiger meter alone.
The case was good and had the speedmaster engraved abound the edge. In general i liked the case, it had good definition and the years had not been cruel. I do not think it has been refinished though I am sure like every sixty year old tool watch it has had some sort of polish.
Now the bezel. I simply do not know enough. For a while I proposed that the engraving was by pantograph. Now people with knowledge tell me it was acid etched. I can see even just in this one day in Geneva that there are bezels with serifs and bezels without. All look aged, but I cannot tell if it is old. All the bezels I examined showed concentric polishing marks – presumably from the bezel being placed in a lathe and polished. I would imagine that this would have been done during a service to remove dings and scratches on an original bezel, but also to reduce the height of a reproduction bezel. So all this leaves me to value all 2915 bezels for the price of the repro – which in itself is currently more than a cheap 145.022.
This tropical dial sold for $200,000 all in. I was honestly expecting it to go for more, and indeed the estimate was up to $300,000 plus premium – so I think the seller thought it would go more too. As I have said, it was a very attractive watch in hand.
Phillips sold two 2915’s in one sale, and here is the second one:
I thought this one was superb. So good that I asked the on-site watchmaker to tell me if it was relumed. (Why would I trust him, the employee of the seller? Well obviously I do not know him, but one has to take all information one can, and I do not distrust him either. In general, I find people with technical skills tend to be far less devious than the people who are further up the client interface ladder). He told me he thought the lume is original, and indeed the Geiger counter once a gain clicked away.
I think this was a really nice watch, Perhaps there were problems I do not see, or that my naivete is hiding from me, but I would say this is a really good watch. Now is it worth the $225,000 it achieved? Well I think it fits in the ladder of my expectations. This is a fortune for a watch, and we are in rare air. My thoughts are that the buyers for this watch are different to most of my Speedy friends so its hard for me to really feel what is going on. What I do think is that many people might have guessed this would have gone for more – however there was not the fight in the saleroom that I for one was expecting.
In conclusion, I felt the two 2915’s at Phillips were very attractive, and sold for less than I was expecting, and that perhaps the auction estimates were too high. (Therefore makes me think these were trade watches – but that is another story).
Phillips showed a 2915-3 that will be offered in Hong Kong. Here we see the Broad Arrow hands combined with a black BASE1000 bezel. The estimate is a probably realistic USD$60,000 – $100.000.
Here is my viewing shot of it. (The light in the viewing hall was awful unless you were at a table with a light, or you could get up and walk to the windows)
My impression was, its OK, but after seeing the other two, it made me like those two in Geneva more – it can be deceptive, when you see a really good watch in isolation, especially an expensive one, sometimes you do not really get it until you see the lesser quality soon after.
The dial is a nice colour, and undamaged, the impression is good. The hands might also have been re lumed and the centre chrono seconds hand is painted, and I would have expected a metal one in an original watch. But all in all this looks pretty good for the price.
The BASE1000 bezel like many does not look attractive, but it is still one of the better ones I see. Which is my problem with the BASE1000 black bezel – they often look grey, illegible, dry or tired. Just not a nice thing to be looking at on a $60k+ watch.
Another way to look at it, is to ask is this 2915-3 a better value route to 2915 ownership than one of the $200k watches?
Phillips also are going to offer a 2915 in New York on 5th December. The sale is not yet compiled, but here is what will be lot 26, a 2915-2:
The estimate on the above watch is $60,000 to $120,000. This watch set off the Gieger counter and the dial looks ok. The bezel has serifs and shows circular polish lines. I think I had seen so many by this stage, it was a case of oh, another 2915, so what? So viewed in isolation this might be an interesting watch. By this time I had 2915 fade.
So a short taxi ride in the sunshine and to the Christies viewing. Here there was very little for the speedmaster nerd, except for its 2915-1 coming up in
Christies showed one that will sell in New York 6th December. This watch shows very original, but it is shagged. The case is completely polished and without definition, the lume on the hands is positively botanical, but it really does look like a watch that has been owned and used for most of its sixty years. For a price, it is likeable.
This watch is offered with an older extract and is really not in the same league as the Phillips watches, but it does have an attraction, in that I do not think it has been messed around with. We might even guess that this is an original bezel – but this highlights the problem with the steel bezels – what is an original? How many styles were there? What was the manufacturing method? Note this bezel does not have the circular polishing marks, but it does show it has been polished on a flat surface by hand with perhaps a fine abrasive. Something that would almost certainly be routinely done to bezels during service when the watches were considered tools.
They have been seen over the years in several case references, but so far all in calibre 321 references. To be clear we are talking about the metalic lustre dials, sometimes referred to as Solei. The angle of light it crucial – in real life the two on the right are very similar. On the left is the Matt Grey dial that we are not going to cover here.
Here is the “TimeTitans metalic blue 145.012. I failed to buy this twice!
The dial is a hard metallic lustre, and a dark blue body colour and this can look grey. In fact one sold at Christies was described as grey, but when compared to others it is the same blue. This dial style was useed in other Omegas, the TV dial for one.
I believed (up until now), in the absence of a better theory that these blue, metallic dials are in fact service dials fitted by Omega. Now that Phillips has produced one with an extract this theory is threatened. But why did I think this?
There is no known listing of these dials that suggests that this was an option to buy new in a speedmaster – there are no contemporary photos or catalogs showing a blue metallic dial.. (But nor was the Ultraman which the museum has recently announced is a “Real Model”)
There are very few seen, and to my knowledge these have been seen on 2998, 105.003 and 145.012.
I have seen three different executions. A short indices non pro, a long indices dial non pro, and a short indices 145.012 professional dial. (This last one out of my grasp – I call it the Time Titans watch, as I saw it with them several years ago and I failed to buy it).
So now lets look at the Phillips watch. I review the sale here
We can clearly see this is indeed a metallic blue soleil. It is however not in as good condition as the two presented to Auction in the last five years. A close up reveals a damaged and spotted dial. (Bezel is fabulous mind you!)
But the real question is this. How come that a dealer in Mexico managed to sell a watch in 18 May 1964 that was yet to be released by Omega until 11 September 1964. The official explanation is listed in the description as:
“Interestingly, the Extract from the Archives confirms the country of destination but it mentions a sale date 4 months later than the one mentioned on the original warranty. This riddle was solved thanks to the assistance of Omega: as it turns out, they marked in their books the watch as sold only once they received the payment. It then makes perfect sense that the “Archives Date” is later than the one on the Guarantee.”
We also know that Omega’s archives, which I must repeat is staffed by incredibly helpful kind and knowledgeable people, are not straightforward to read. Much of it is on punch cards, with holes designating model and specification by their location on the card.
I have asked for several extracts for blue dials and none have come back blue. I suspect that there is a certain amount of pressure that has been applied by Phillips to get this extract. And the explanation stinks – because if that is true, then it brings into question what the date on all our extracts is, as it is not then a “Production Date” it is a payment date, and so makes a nonsense of what we have all been thinking to date.
Phillips repeat the line that 5 to 10 exist. Lets see. We have four so far in this thread.
This one was seen on ebay, October 2015. It is possible it is one of the ones already mentioned, but I cannot see a similarity.
Sold by Menta Watches after asking $32,000 in 2017. Note Non Pro dial with long indices, damaged at 6 and 10 O’clock.
Here is one posted on Omega Forums by member DLT222. Obviously we are looking at the left hand watch. Note the Non Pro dial, short indices.
This one, published on Omegaforums again, is possible not Soleil – the photo is hard to see:
In february 2018 OmegaForums member Cad290 Showed this. I am sure the lustre is metalic, and it is blue – The plots are a very unusual colour. Note the Non Pro Dial, long indices, and short T marks.
Here is the same watch in natural light. This highlights the difference lighting makes when photographing these wonderful watches:
This one, definitely a blue soleil, was shown in Geneva 2016 by Davidoff Brothers. Note the Non Pro dial with short indices.
Here is another 145.012, exhibited by sliceoftime.id. It does not appear to be the Time Titans watch and so we can say it is the second 145.012 seen. Note the dial is a Professional, long indices.
After I published this, further examples have come to my attention. Here we see one from The Master of Speed. (He always presents good examples of watches):
I have photos here for twelve. (And I know of three more not shown here). I have seen many combinations of blue soleil dial, we see both long and short indices on both Professional and non Professional dials.
It is possible there is a Grey Soleil – one with the metallic lustre but black/grey not blue. They are difficult to photograph and so the colour is not always true.
There is also a Matt Grey dial, and this is usually in poorer condition, as the materials appear to be unable to withstand the passage of time.
I do not think that Omega has a record of when a blue dial was fitted. I think more will be revealed with the Phillips watch as it is opening a an of worms regarding Date of Production, which is stated on the extract, now being announced by Omega via Phillips that it is actually date of payment.
Watches of Knightsbridge are having a watch sale on 3 November 2018 in London. There is as usual a huge variety of manufacturers and qualities and I would urge anyone who can to view this in person, as it is a rare opportunity to see so much in one place. The firm has raised their game in presentation but have been caught out by the Ultraman, as they originally presented the wrong number on the extract. I have some sympathy for them as it appears to be a typo. In general I would say that as a group this is the highest standard of Speedmasters I have seen at WOK to date.
All images here are links to WOK and have not been harvested or held on my servers. All images have a lot of dust, and some are over exposed, leaving hard to fully appreciate condition. As I said before, viewing this auction is important to get a true impression.
Here is the WOK statement of buyers premium (noticeably cheaper than other B&M acutions) :
Every sale will be subject to a buyer’s premium of 20%+VAT (24% inc. VAT) on the hammer price.
There will be no additional charge for online bidding through our website or through www.thesaleroom.com
Note: All Estimates are in GBP Sterling, currently 1 GBP = USD$ 1.31
Lot 179 145.022-76 3,000 – 3500
A simple and correct example, with a good bezel and dial, all in above average condition. It is probably estimated on the high side, but it does appear all correct. The trouble is at this level the difference between fair price and high is perhaps GBP 500. So it makes a difference if the watch needs to be serviced, and if it has the correct bracelet. This one has the service, which is good, but the bracelet is a later service item, being 1171/1. Still this watch is worth having compared to some I have seen, and the higher price might easily be forgotten if it is as nice as I think it might be.
A very rare, NoNasa case back with extract. Lets hope all that dust is on the crystal and not the dial – it is probably dust. The watch itself looks very nice. The case is good, the dial has a hint of colour if I am not mistaken and the hands bezel and crown all look in good condition and correct. It has an extract, and I expect this rare reference to attract strong bidding in this condition. If I did not have one I would go for this.
Portuguese import marks, which may make it more interesting to someone. Interesting that the extract shows 1970 release date, and indeed the extract is a welcome piece of mind. Watch has severe chrono creep and so will need a service immediately. The dial Looks attractive – it has a hint of tropical to me. I think the watch needs a good watchmaker, and I am a little concerned because the pushers look recent, indicating work, and therefore I wonder did they just change the pushers, or has it been serviced badly? It really does not matter, this is an interesting watch that a decent service will bring up to standard. My feeling is that the price is a little high but it will sell as I think it might be very attractive in hand. For me as ever it is better to over pay for an attractive watch than buy a bargain which does not please visually.
I like a transitional, but this one makes me hesitate. I would want to satisfy myself those lume plots are original. I am really in two minds about them – or at least I cannot make up my mind. First, there is signs of the lume blurring off the plot onto the dial, (blow up the photo inspect the 6 and 7 o’clock plots – I would do it for you but WOK have asked me not to reproduce their photos – the ones on this page are links, not reproductions). Secondly, the plot colour is strong, unusually yellow, and uniform throughout. However the colour impression may be caused by the inferior photography.
That said I find the body colour of the dial itself very attractive.
The bezel is chipped to an unattractive state. The case looks nice and in general the watch might be a good buy at a certain level. However I would not buy without seeing those plots under a loupe. I have a feeling I would like this watch in hand, and it is not crazy money for an auction.
Immediately apparent to me is the vary attractive dial. The hands are in excellent condition. The pushers are old and dirty, and I suspect they and the crown are original. In fact I suspect this watch is quite original as it looks dirty, and the bezel might improve with a simple clean. This watch will be transformed by a proper and sympathetic service, (keeping all the parts of course) and I like it.
Bracelet is not the usual one associated with this reference, maybe it is an export market bracelet. It is marked Omega, and it does not worry me unduly.
This is a “dry”looking brown, and the serial is not known for brown dials. (brown dials are seen in all serials for -69 but more common in 2911 and 2960.)
While this is indeed brown, it is not the lovely warm colour I associate with high prices, but I would say this one will sell. Personally I do not like this colour enough to pay a high premium – for me the dial is decaying, not fading or changing to brown. Do not misunderstand me, I like it as an object, but over paying for it might be regretted later. The trick with this watch is to view it at least three seperate times. If each time you see it, you think, “Oh, it looks better than I remember it” then it is a buy. If each time you see it you think, “oh, I thought it was better than that” then do not. That is my method. Since I have not viewed it yet I will hold judgement. I might add finally I know of no other 220 bezel watches with a dial that looks like this, so it is at the very least an Outlier.
The bezel on this one is the rare 220 miss-print and the serial falls in range as specified in the updated MWO information.
Lot 188 145.012-67 Pulsations 10,000 – 14,000
This is another interesting watch, if at first glance expensive. Price aside I like it very much. The dial is an attractive browninsh colour (much more attractive than the previous lot) and the pulsation bezel is an original vintage one, as evidenced by the line just under the numbers.
The whole watch has an air of use about it, (patina if you will) and I like that – it makes me feel it is original. The bezel is lightly damaged, and this adds to the overall impression this is an original piece. It is a lot of money, for a 145.012 without a DO90 bezel, and I personally do not value the pulsations on a par with the DO90, but I think others are starting to – it is after all rarer. So I shall watch this watch with interest. I think it is one of those watches to be bought high, but with no regrets.
I think there is something coming I am going to call “The curse of the Ultraman!” It seems anyone who has anything to do with them publicly gets attacked. This is due to the massive rise in interest, and therefore values, in what is essentially an Orange hand – and the ease in which one might be fitted – though as yet I do not think that has happened due to the longer length than is available. (And perhaps a blacker dial, but I think the dial is not unique(?). Watch that statement invoke the Ultraman curse!
It fits with all the perceived requirements, the long reddish orange hand, and extract, and also the black dial.
However as mentioned, there is some confusion as to the veracity of the extract – I am sure this will be sorted out before sale and either WOK will have the correct extract or it will not, and it will no longer be an Ultraman. The Curse Strikes Again !
I would guess the paperwork will all get sorted out, and we will see a good result, enabling us to peg the real values of these watches.
Lets assume the extract pans out. Then we are looking to check the Orange hand. That appears to be long enough to be a real Ultraman hand. I cannot tell if the dial is one of the black glossy ones that people more knowledgeable than me say should be on an Ultraman, but it may be. The bezel is very good but has a damage at the top.
Interestingly the front page of the WOK website has a better image showing clearly a glossy dial and slightly reddish Orange hand.
To be honest, a lot of the fun has evaporated from the Ultraman as many of the people voicing opinions have been quite unpleasant to each other and left a bad taste in my mouth.
Lot 190 105.012-66HF “Cartier Number” 6,500 – 7,000
The Auctioneers have done some research and attributed the number on the lugs to Cartier, which is interesting – although the estimate does not seem influenced by this. It will be interesting to see how the market reacts. The watch itself is good, with original pushers. I personally like the HF case on the 66.
The dial is nice, the pushers have fat necks, the hands are in good condition. Overall I like this watch, and the estimate is not crazy. In fact I think it is the best value here.
I cannot understate how interested I am to see where this goes. The dial is flat oval Omega, and decayed, blotchy in the way I have seen in a few 2915’s – which I find attractive. The extract is from 2008 so I would want a new one, which might not be forthcoming.
However the serial looks ok, and the rest of the watch looks good.
One of the things to look for in 2915’s especially those we mght consider projects, is the condition of the case. Some of these old references seem to be susceptible to corrosion, especially at the case join. This one seems to have escaped that, adding to the attraction.
Another 105.012 this one delivered to Japan, so we might think it could be in better condition as the Japanese do take care of things….sweeping racial judgement but they do. This watch has the fat neck pushers. and is in good condition, let down a little by the bezel. The dial and hands are in very nice condition. The case must have had a little polish as the facet lines are not as obvious as some.
Phillips are holding what they call Auction Eight (not a bad idea to number them) in Geneva on November 10th and 11th 2018. I cannot quite see why it is listed over two days, and the auction is scheduled to start at 5pm Geneva time on 10th November.
Here is the relevant paragraph from Phillips site regarding buyers premiums:
Phillips charges the successful bidder a commission, or buyer’s premium, on the hammer price of each lot sold. The buyer’s premium is payable by the buyer as part of the total purchase price at the following rates: 25% of the hammer price up to and including CHF250,000, 20% of the portion of the hammer price above CHF250,000 up to and including CHF4,000,000 and 12.5% of the portion of the hammer price above CHF4,000,000.
Lot 17 105.012-66CB $7,200 – $12,300
From the front this is a very nice example. The bezel is correct DO90 in good condition, and the dial is is also in good condition, with some plot decay, and the lume is very thin. The hands are in much better condition, and I would wonder if they have been replaced. The back of the watch carries engraving, and I am one of those who does not care for engravings, unless there is a NASA connection, and this is not. To be fair, the estimate does not appear to have been influenced. The watch has an extract which is always good. The facet lines on the lug are visible and the pushers have fat necks, the crown appears correct. I expect this will sell well and the owner very happy.
An immediately attractive watch. The dial colour is a very attractive brown, without appearing decayed, and fits in the 2911xxx serial range where we expect to see these kind of dials. The case is slightly damaged, and there is a very annoying chip on the otherwise fantastic bezel. It is so close to being a “buy at any price watch” with that dial and hand set, but it is not. It is let down from that lofty high by the case and bezel, but it is still a very nice watch, just one I would not bid to the moon for. It is very desirable and again will give pleasure of ownership.
There has been considerable interest in the market for these gold watches and especially this reference recently and so I think the estimate might be low. This is a later example, No 722, and has the round O in Omega on the dial. (Although evidence does not support a connection between production number and dial style). The bezel is original but tired, though I have seen worse. It is not possible to truly gauge the condition of this watch from the photos, sometimes these gold watches can show some wear, but this watch seems good enough from what I can see to blow through the high estimate. I am slightly concerned by the fit of the endlinks, and as ever with these we have to check the condition of the bracelet as repairs are very pricey – think $5,000+ for a bracelet restoration. Though that never puts buyers off, I do not think they believe it!
Outside the scope of my site, but oh I want this. I sometimes wonder if someone has a whole pile of these things and is dripping these interesting prototypes onto the market, but I really like this. I cannot believe it wont go for over $100,000.(Despite the Chrono creep!). What a rare piece of history. (Assuming Omega does not have a drawer of these somewhere in the factory!)
This is estimated quite high, and on close inspection it is true that the dial and bezel are in good condition – not fine, but good. I personally do not like or value the bezel colour. The case is hard to judge and I think in hand it will give a good impression – it could be the result of Omega refinishing as it looks similar to watches I have seen fresh from Bienne. The pushers and crown look original, but some how I feel this watch might be close, but no cigar. In fact I suspect it is a dealer watch. Why? Because the quality is slightly lower, (but hard to criticize,) and the price is slightly high. I could be wrong and this watch definitely needs to be held before being able to feel comfortable with a high bid. For me this is not a watch I would go hard for, given the grey bezel and the polished case.
This is the first blue dial I have seen with an extract from the museum that specifies a blue dial. There is a debate on www.OmegaForums,net regarding the dating anomaly between the extract and the guarantee, here.
Well I don’t care about the papers, the value is in the dial itself, though I accept some will pay more as a result of the papers, were they to prove genuine. Right now the estimate reflects the value of similar watches sold without papers.
I could get quite critical of this very rare watch, as compared to other blue soleil dials as this dial does show some marks and damage.
However it remains a very interesting and valuable watch and I have no doubt it will sell well.
This is a terrific watch, with tropical dial and an extract. The bezel looks ok to me, and the rest of the watch checks out as far as my knowledge will allow. I do like the colour, and I cannot see this watch not selling well.
Bezels are always a worry on these and there is some discussion of them here. Though as ever when money is involved it gets a bit off piste with personal discussions of motives, but there is some interesting stuff there for the prospective 2915 buyer
The dial on this watch is very good. One might even say it is in better condition than the tropical one in the same sale, if we just look at condition of the surface of the dial. It is really impressive. The bezel is so worn, we have to wonder why, and how, and I invite you to make your own mind.
The Ultraman is an original watch produced by Omega in very low numbers, (the number bandied about is 50 pieces) and the only confirmed difference as stated in the extract is the fitment of an reddish – orange chronograph hand.
The watch is essentially a 145.012-67 with a long reddish orange chronograph hand. There is also a theory that an original Ultraman was released with a shiny black dial.
MWO has determined that they are all in the serial range between 26.076.xxx and 26.079.xxx. They also determined the orange chrono hand length is 18.80mm and unique to this execution.
Here is the MWO Ultraman article, in which they determine the orange chrono hand length, serial range and propose a date range of mostly June 1968, with a few later in July and August.
The museum will issue an extract for an Ultraman but it does not call it “ultraman” , it simply notes the watch is a 145.012 with a special orange hand.
According to my conversations with a member of Museum staff, the records show that these watches were fitted with “Special Equipment” but the information in the archive does not specifically say what this equipment actually was.
This is disputed by members of the collecting community who have far closer ties to the museum than I. So perhaps I misunderstood what I was told, and that indeed the records do show an orange hand being fitted.
The money these are now worth have prompted some pretty heated debates. There is a theory proposed by Davidoff Brothers, which was confirmed by the head of the Museum here:
(Copied here from Instagram, let me know if you feel that I should not be doing that – I tried to link it but could not)
The “Ultraman” Checklist
1) 145.012-67 ✅
2) 321 caliber between 26,076,xxx-26,079,xxx ✅
(we’ve have seen 2pcs 26,074,xxx)
3) Delivered in June 1968 ✅
(For the most part)
4) Jet black dial ✅
(darker and shinier than its predecessor)
5) The long orange chronograph seconds hand is unique in color and length vs any other Omega model ✅
(Hand should go past the Minutes scale)
This model has been discussed in great detail by the watch community, Omega Museum and @watchbooksonly and is really such a rich and interesting model.
6) Lastly, our personal theories: We theorize that the orange hand is a transitional production marker between the diamond bottom & flat bottom chronograph seconds hand. This is not a rule and exceptions have been seen of diamond bottom hands after Ultraman. Overall, it works as a general idea and we think it’s fun to imagine product development team using this orange hand as a marker to signal the hand style change.
7) Theory 2: 1968 marked the announcement of the end of the Caliber 321 (till now 😆) and it seems logical that the sales team would then ask for every special configuration possible (hint:Ultraman, 2 types of racing, grey and blue dials) to sell the last remaining stocks. Something we’ve seen brands do time and time again. We think it makes sense.
Well done bros @davidoffbrothers ! Finally a sensible concise text. And two utterly sensible theories that I (personally) believe in! I just hope that the oh-so-all-knowing trolls over at “the” forum will eat their hearts out and regain their senses. Cheers 🍻 bros!
So there you have it, the head of the Museum endorsing the two theories proposed by DB. Note that although they propose five “Conditions” that already the serial range is broken.
Please note I have tried to attribute the photographs and if anyone feels I have it wrong or you would like links removed then send me a message.
This photo shows clearly the aging on an Ultraman. The chrono hand looks long enough to reach over the track, and the lume is pumpkin coloured. Note the colour of the hand, which has a reddish tint when compared to other orange speedmaster hands.
Here is an example shown by Analog Shift.
Here the hand appears more reddish and the lume is less coloured than many.
Again from Analog Shift is this one on its extract:
Here is an example sold by Lauritz. com in 2014: Here again we see the hand is reddish. It is clearly long enough to satisfy the hand length criteria. The full page is here. This watch does look like a bargain today, even if it turns out not to be an Ultraman. There was no serial listed in the auction so I cannot check. (Notice the chrono creep on the hour sub dial).
Here is one seen on OmegaForums.net, the page is here
The great thing about this post is the fine photos of the dial, linked here – again a slightly reddish hand.
And here the owner has de-cased for a closeup of the dial . The lume is completely gone and we see only the white paint on the dial.
In 2017 Ebay offered this example.
Interestingly the extract did not mention the orange hand, but it does appear to be long enough and the serial falls in range. Here we see the close up of the dial and hand. Again the hand strikes me as reddish. It clearly extends to minute track. It was on offer for euros 17,000.
Another from Ebay 2018, sold for $35,000. While it did not have an extract, the serial falls into range, and it was also a Meister Dial. You can see the original listing here, and it raises a few questions, but as I said, it sold and I reckon someone with the museum’s number got confirmation of it being Orange Hand if the extract was re issued. Strictly speaking I have to regard this as unconfirmed, but possibly correct.
Here is another from Omegaforums, this time in 2015. In the thread it discusses the hand lenth as being too small (i cannot tell) and that it sold for over $8500. As the serial is in range it is possible that it is genuine. In fact there is a serial on the MWO table that is the same as this to the last digit,
In the same thread is Kringkilly’s watch – interestingly he reports the history as the owner requested the AD to replace the hand on a new speedmaster with an orange one – and it was not known if that was the case or if the watch was delivered as is. Note the reddish hand again.
This one, from “one more soul”(?) appears to have a very orange hand, but the right length. I do not know how real this is as the page disappeared
Here is one offered by Watches of Knightsbridge in November 2018
There are those that seek to profit by simply fitting an orange hand and selling it as an Ultraman. This is hard now, as we now know the serial range and the hand length. The latter might be replicable, given the values, but the serial is immutable.
Here is a watch offered on Ebay March 2019. The hand is long enough, but there are those on the OmegaForum who say it is the wrong shape – slightly too fat. But most telling is that the seller, and experienced watch collector/seller, has not got an Extract for it, and has only disclosed the first four serial digits. The general consensus is that this is a carefully worded attempt to fool someone.
Here is an examples offered by Watch Seller in Australia. Interestingly I believe this might not a genuine Ultraman as the orange hand is short, and the serial is 26m but the third digit does not look like a “0”.
There has been proposed that Ultramans need to have a special dial. I have heard the adjectives, silky and anthracite to describe it, and also that the plots should be caramel colour.
I cannot find evidence to support the idea that allUltramans have black glossy dials and caramel lume, but I accept the dial colour discrepancy could easily be because the photos do not show it. But I have to say from what I have gathered here, I do not see a noticeable difference between the all dials of the Ultraman and a standard 145.012.
I remain open to evidence, and it may well turn out to be the case.
Here we stray a little, and show a shot of the BA145.022-69 and the Gold Plated MkII.
Interesting to note the common appearance. The MkII was intended to replace the “Moonwatch” and it might have indeed been more suited to rugged treatment with its thickened case and more protected pushers and crown. However NASA wasnt interested as the 145.022 was already proven and flight tested and they did not need to update it.
Of course these are gold watches, never intended for anything other than showing off. The gold plated MkII is really the cheapest path to Speedmaster 861 ownership and when I bought this, it was practically free. (About $450, the price of a 861 movement at the time).The both carry the burgundy bezel. In the case of the MkII it is painted, or printed onto the underside of the mineral glass and is integral to it. On the BA145.022-69 you can see it is a later service bezel, still available from Omega. At around $1500 last time I checked.
The MKII in this execution has a quite elaborate dial, quite different from the flat printed dial of the steel version. Note the raised hour markers.
And for comparison here is the steel version (with the rarer seen though freely available Decimale bezel) and flat dial – interestingly the dial on MkII’s are completely flat, whereas the moonwatch dials are either stepped or domed. The MkII dial can and has been fitted to a moonwatch case by private owners.
An Original Apollo Soyuz is a highly desirable reference. Most owners are regularly petitioned to sell theirs if they show it. There were 500 thought to be made, and many have been serviced or altered from original specification. This one has several issues and in spite of that achieved GBP 27,000. Whilethis is more than I expected, there are literally none on the market and frankly with its rarity there are some who say the Soyuz is the next $100,000 speedmaster.
First of the problems is the pusher size. Here on the Sothebys watch we can see the pusher has a gap around it.
And here is an original Soyuz, where we can clearly see the 5.5mm pushers filling the modified case.
So the Sothebys watch has the wrong pushers, but at least it has an original case, (number 342). The problem is that 5.5mm pushers are not available from Omega, and so any replacement is going to be a non original pusher. I know several people who are working to find a suitable substitute but so far without success. One watch maker is certain he can find a generic substitute but so far it has eluded him.
Next is the chrono hand, an obvious substitution.
Here is an original:
Also the Sothebys watch has a non original bracelet and no endlinks at all. So the new owner has some way to go to piece together an original specification watch.
Will we, I wonder, look back in a year’s time and think this a bargain? At GBP 27,000 there is a lot to criticise, except availability. I am lucky enough to own a correct original, but if I did not, would I have been tempted? Well yes, I would. I have seen more than one bracelet offered for sale, and I am sure with my obsession and perseverance I would find pushers.