105.003-65 on ebay

This watch is closing and I offer an analysis. The case reference is 105.003-65 and the movement serial is 2496xxxx. I have lifted the photos so the article can remain complete.

105.003-65 offered on eBay April 2015 at $5500

This watch carries a correct dial, but wrong bezel. The chrono hand is too late, and it would make sense that the watch had a service in late sixties or early seventies and had the bezel and hands changed.

From here the case back looks good

Generally the case condition is above average for this reference.  The case back does have opening marks, and that reduces the value.

Another angle shows opening marks
The dial plots are degraded, to a dirty algae look. I do not find them attractive.

The dial is terrible, for this price. Blotchy, and with an unattractive fade, combined with dirty plots. It has a “dry” look.

Movement looks ok

105.003’s used to be the “accessible” straight lug speedmaster. I have noticed some examples, nice ones, selling well over $6000. But these have had clean dials and correct bezels. Many of the ones offered recently have been poor, and expensive, with many incorrect parts. I don’t mind a poor example, if it is cheap enough to enjoy without worry.

It would make a fun wearing watch, if it were cheaper. The dial is really is not a good example, the hands are later and showing signs of many removals and refitting, and perhaps poor repainting. It could be enjoyed, by a certain kind of buyer. As a project this would need a lot of money: a dial for this will be in excess of $1000 and the bezel is now about the same.

Of of course this watch would need a service. A good workshop should be able to source and fit better vintage hands and that would make a big difference.

So to get this watch to a quality I would want at this price would take $2600!

It is all about price. At $5500 I would not touch it. At $3000 it would be a snatch, so somewhere between ought to be the real value.

Transitional at last!

After months of searching I have found a transitional, on comission for a good friend who wants to give it to her husband. She wanted a -68 as it was his birth year – and although I object to most “birth year” concepts (when it was built? Released? Sold? These years can be over a three to five year span) I think it is nice to have the year in the case back.

There has been a lot of rubbish about, but this one came up in the UK:

145.022-68. Just Aquired
145.022-68. Just Aquired

I shall be working on it, preparing it for her in the coming weeks.

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Inside the Case back is the all important -68 case stamp
Inside the Case back is the all important -68 case stamp

Site Revision

So after my little site crash, I have been re writing and checking. I have now got closer to what I want to have up, but there will still be a few kinks here and there.

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The prices on this page have been updated August  2018

The price of DO90 bezels continues to hit extraordinary highs last month, with a mint example selling for over $5000.

Up until now this territory was occupied by the unicorn of black bezels, the BASE1000.

Fitted to the 2915-3 and the 2998-1 & 2 these are very hard to source. I have heard of recent unconfirmed trades as high as $20,000 – but I stress I have not seen the bezels nor can i be sure of this. One thing for sure a fine bezel will now fit a very valuable watch.

This is not so fine, and indeed was certainly removed from a watch for being too poor, and survived through luck to be sold loose.

BASE1000 Bezel
BASE1000 Bezel

T SWISS T different spacings

So we often refer to the marking at the bottom of the dial, the SWISS mark.

Beneath the six o’clock marker on all Speedmasters is this mark in three varieties:

  • T SWISS T  (Close spaced T’s)
  • T     SWISS    T (Wide spaced T’s)

There is another version I have heard of, where the T’s are added later, slightly out of line. (I don’t have an example)

Here is a comparison of the two.  (Note the short indices, that stop short of the minute track – but thats another subject)

A comparison between wide, and close spaced T’s. What is especially interesting is the the dial on the right is a 321 dial, with close T marks for a 105.003 – but notice the markers are the same length as the 861 dial on the left.


Nearly all there

A few pesky problems with picture alignment and we should be all ready for final tweaking and polish. The “backup” was almost entirely from my head, with a little help from TNTWatch. Cheers.

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