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Speedmasters have disappeared from Phillips. Other houses continue to sell, and demand and prices are slightly higher than I expected.
Prices and demand for nice sub $15,000 watches is strong. Its a question of finding a correct watch that doesnt look like three dealers have tried to improve it.
2915’s now trading again after slamming against a wall, but substantially less than previous auction results – I can see that a verified 2915 with provenance and attraction might still go high at auction, but so far Phillips have declined to accept any for sale., and historically they got the best prices. Other houses so far have not offered a correct or complete example.
Along side the restarting of the 2915 market, 2998’s are also trading again, and once again with more reachable values than before.
There is a very strong demand for correct rarities like racing dials, and Soyuz, but only if correct. If correct, there are more buyers than watches. If incorrect, then there is zero interest and it might appear to those who had not views the watch properly that it sold cheap.
I never thought I would say this, but for today, the very high quality watches have lost a little ground.
Remember, a “Collector’s Condition” 2915 is probably not the same as a “Collector’s Condition” 145.022-78
Its getting hard to sensibly price watches with good DO90 bezels – I am sure you can see anomalies that this might throw up in the valuation of calibre 861 speedmasters.
Beware of reproduction bezels, as these have now been in circulation for enough time to gather some patina, and can fool the unwary.
Prices for DO90 bezels peaked at $5000, but now I detect no recent sales at that level and so $4,000 seems a better estimate. 145.022-69’s need to valued higher if they carry a DO90. As of February 2025 this price guide is valid
There is more value to a “thin font” DO90 than one with thicker or blurred printing.
I have separated the 145.022-69 with a DO90 bezel, or 145.022 with a DN90.
I am not sure how to deal with bezel madness – the bezels are selling for more than they increase the value of a watch without one. My figures for REPLACING a missing bezel are:
Note also that the references preceding the 145.022 without a DO90 bezel need to be devalued as appropriate.
The 2998-1 and -2 are often traded with DO90 bezels instead of the correct black BASE1000. The prices for 2998-1 or -2 above include a price for a commensurate bezel. These BASE1000’s are worth approximately $10,000 to $20,000 depending on who you talk to. A poor one might be $1500 – 2000 while a mint one might sell for $15,000+. There is talk of them selling for more, but not confirmed. Recently I have seen imitations that are close, but do not pass close expert inspection. When I look at a “parts watch” and it has a BASE1000 I start at valuing the bezel at $10,000 and go up or down depending on condition.
The figures here are based on actual transactions (that I know about) between willing buyers and willing sellers. Prices are in USD $ for the head only. (Except the BA145022 and the 145.022 Soyuz which includes the unique bracelets).
You will have to make a judgment on the watch you are looking at, and take the price from that category. You will then have to subtract as you see fit for missing or erroneous parts, or add a premium if the watch holds a particular attraction. I have chosen names for the categories. Don’t get hung up on the words, they are just four groups.
Poor – These watches are unattractive, have damaged parts, and have very little going for them other than they can tell the time correctly twice per day. The bezel is damaged, the dial is damaged, the case has lost definition or heavily scored. The movement might be corroded, or missing some minor parts. Often these can be valued more accurately by valuing the parts separately. The figure here is really just a guide.
Fair – Often the quality of a well-used watch, one that has lived a useful life. It might be damaged or missing some parts, movement needing work. This category can sometimes be improved with sympathetic work and service. It will remain fair if after service it still shows a damaged bezel, a dial with damage or missing, or discoloured plots, and a case with missing lines or heavy damage.
Good – Complete with correct parts. It is likely the lowest condition most collectors or owners are happy with. The case and dial and bezel should be without significant damage, though there may be some wear or light marks on the case or bezel. The plots are an attractive colour not green or missing. Some minor plot damage or issues are acceptable. The bezel may have several marks but no major damage.
Very Good – Case Dial and bezel are without obvious damage. Parts are original or replaced with correct vintage replacements. The watch is attractive. The parts look good together. There may be minor marks on the case or bezel, and the dial is clean and with attractive plots with luminous material intact.
Excellent – Very, very few watches are in this condition. Very little wear and without any damage. Perhaps very minor marks from very light wear No damage or degradation to dial, case or bezel, all parts correct and original. This is the highest price I would expect a Speedmaster to fetch unless it is New Old Stock and absolutely unworn ever – this is another step up in value.
Fratello has a good price chart for more modern Speedmasters here.
Reference | Poor | Fair | Good | Very Good | Excellent | |
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2915-1 | No Data | 20,000* | 50,000 | 100,00 | no data est 150,000 | |
2915-2 | No Data | 18,000* | 35,000* | 70,000 | no data | |
2915-3 | Broad Arrow / Steel bezel | No Data | No Data | No Data | 38,000* | 60,000* |
2915-3 | Alpha/BASE1000 | No Data | 11,000* | 19,000* | 30,000 | 50,000* |
2998-1 | BASE1000 | No Data | 8,000* | 15,000* | 28,000 | 40,000 |
2998-2 | BASE1000 | No Data | 8,000* | 14,000* | 26,000 | 38,000 |
2998-3 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 31,000 | |
2998-4 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 31,000 | |
2998-5 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 31,000 | |
2998-6 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 31,000 | |
2998-61 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 31,000 | |
2998-62 | 5,000 | 6,500 | 12,000 | 18,000 | 28,000 | |
105002-62 | Alpha Hands | No Data | 6500 | 8,600 | 14,500 | 25,000 |
105002-62 | Baton Hands | No Data | 5000 | 7,500 | 11,000 | 18,,000 |
105003-63 | No Data | 4,400 | 7,000 | 12,000 | 18,000 | |
105003-64 | No Data | 4,400 | 7,000 | 12,000 | 18,000 | |
105003-65 | No Data | 4,400 | 7,000 | 12,000 | 18,000 | |
105012-63 | SWISS only | No Data | 3,800 | 6,400 | 11,500 | 18,000 |
105012-64 | No Data | 3,500 | 6,400 | 11,500 | 18000 | |
105012-65 | No Data | 3,500 | 6,400 | 11,500 | 18,000 | |
105012-66 | No Data | 3,800 | 6,400 | 11,500 | 20,000 | |
145012-67 | 3,000 | 3,800 | 6,300 | 10,500 | 14,200 | |
145012-68 | 3,000 | 3,800 | 6,300 | 10,500 | 14,200 | |
145022-68 | Transitional | 2,500 | 3,800 | 6,700 | 7,800 | 11,200 |
145022-69 | DO90 | 2,500 | 3,000 | 5,200 | 7,400 | 11,000 |
145022-69 | DN90 | 2,000 | 2,700 | 4,000 | 5,500 | 7,000 |
145022-69 SW | Apollo | No Data | No Data | 5600 | 7,900 | 11,000 |
145022-69 SW | Flight Q. | 2,300 | 3,200 | 4,500 | 6,200 | 8,200 |
145022-71 NN | No Nasa | No Data | No Data | 4,400 | 6,000 | 9,000 |
145022-71 | 2,000 | 2,800 | 4,200 | 5,200 | 7,000 | |
145022-74 | No Step Dial | 1,900 | 2,100 | 3,000 | 4,500 | 6,000 |
145022-76, & 78 | 1,700 | 2,000 | 2,800 | 4,200 | 5,800 | |
Specials: | ||||||
Blue Metalic Dial | 20,000 | 32,000 | 42,000 | 65,000 | 95,000 | |
145012-67 | Ultraman | No Data | 17,000 | 25,000 | 30,000 | 44,000 |
145012-67 | NonPro Black Racing | No Data | 50,000 | 65,000 | 80,000 | 110,000 |
145012-67 | Pro Black racing | No Data | 50,000 | 65,000 | 80,000 | 110,000 |
145022-69 | Grey Racing | No Data | No Data | 50,000 | 70,000* | 95,000* |
BA145022-69 | 18Kt Yellow Gold, inc bracelet | 25,000 | 28000* | 40,000 | 65,000 | 75,000 |
145022 | Apollo Soyuz | No Data | No Data | 48,000* | 60,000* | 80,000* |
Alaska III | No Data | No Data | No Data | 185,000* | 200,000* |